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Mike Jankowski, president of Luttenberger & Co., a long time commercial roofing firm in Toledo said of Nordmann: "They're a good company and good competition. They're not working out of their back garage. They pay union wages to their workers, like we do, as well as insurance and everything else, and that's good for everybody." Said the younger Mr. MacKinnon: "Our greatest resource is our employees." The company has a strong commitment to training its journeymen roofers, all of whom have completed a four-year apprenticeship program sponsored jointly by the company and the Roofers Union Local 134.